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[scarletmorning]

I'm not in a too positive state of mind at the moment (am still searching for a good psychiatrist and had one a bit unpleasant talk with one. Nothing truly big, but it triggered a bit of my "my fault" mentality. I need to talk about that with my Ma later to get rid of it) so I want to distract myself a bit. I can't write at the moment (even though I so wish I could. Maybe I'll look through a few of old prompts or something) so I'll babble a bit about FE stuff.

One thing that I noticed when I read the FE6 script was the difference of mentality between Douglas and Cecilia. They were so blatantly different; Douglas fights for the king and Cecilia for Etruria. Not to say that Douglas doesn't care about Etruria but it seems to be clear that he feels like he swore loyalty to the king, then to country. Cecilia is the opposite. That prompted me to think about the motivation of other characters in similar positions.

FE6; Marcus serves the family more than country though they're on a similar level, I believe (in 6 and 7). Percival is torn, but in the end Mildain > Etruria. Murdock (I believe that was his name) obviously was all for Zephiel, as were other generals, I believe.

FE7; Oswin pretty clearly also is mostly sworn to the Ostian family. Wallace is tough but in the end probably places personal > country (am not too sure about it though). Vaida says that she is mostly sworn to Zephiel as well, I believe, and after the betrayal of Bern she "dislikes" it anyway.

FE8; Seth is pretty hard. I think it's a bit similar to Percival with a different outcome; in the end I believe Seth would probably choose country over king/queen. Duessel mostly has sworn loyalty to Vigarde, as is shown in his supports. He regrets his betrayal of Grado not as much as he regrets betraying Vigarde. It's still close though. Selena is similar to Duessel but a bit... extremer, if I may phrase it like that. Glen is hard, because I don't remember learning much about him, but he strikes me more as country > emperor in the end (with his doubting and stuff).
(We don't have any "generals" from Frelia, do we? Well, Gilliam would probably choose king > country, but eh, not too sure)

FE9/10; Geoffrey seems to be obvious on first glance, but I think he'd have major problems with deciding between country and queen. If Giffca counts as a general, then probably king > country. We all know who Zelgius loves/serves. If Tauroneo is still a general, well, with Pelleas it became a bit harder, but in the end he probably cares more about Daein. Sigrun is obviously all for Sanaki.

And now I can't remember any more generals.

Comments

[kyusil.livejournal.com]

This is interesting. I thought of discussing the country vs. king dichotomy myself, but you covered more ground than I would've been able to.

One thing I'd add is that Narshen was definitely out for himself over his king or country, heheh. You don't see that mentality much among the playable characters, though.

[crimsonmorgan.livejournal.com]

Yeah, the villains are... a separate bag. I think most of them fight mostly for their own good. I can think of only a few handful of exceptions and those are normally more grey characters (like the Reed Brothers, Murdock kinda falls under that as well).

[kyusil.livejournal.com]

Bern's given us a lot of sympathetic villains. Brenya and Murdock were originally slated to be Zephiel's lover and brother, respectively, and they seem to have a genuine affection for him that's carried over. I'd be interested in their conversations with each other... would they voice their doubts in private? But yeah, Narshen seems to be the odd one out in that army, oddly enough.

[crimsonmorgan.livejournal.com]

Yeah, I was pleasantly surprised by that. And I loved the thing Gale and Minerva have/had.
Murdock, I doubt it. He's so close to Zephiel, he probably knows most things. Brenya, maybe.

[raphiael]

Hope you feel better soon :c

As for generals- I disagree about Duessel. There's a twinge of regret for Vigarde, sure, but his dialogue in supports and his decision to leave seem to place Grado above everything. Then again, this is hampered by the knowledge that Vigarde himself hasn't been around in some time. . . .

And agreed about Tauroneo. Given that he's able to kill Pelleas for the sake of Daein, it makes a lot of sense that he's more about his country than anything.

Percival though, yeah lol, no question, that's pretty blatant.

[crimsonmorgan.livejournal.com]

I'm mostly okay at the moment.

Duessel: I know that I've been branded a traitor. I'm prepared for that. But I do have one regret... I regret that I betrayed my emperor...

This is what Duessel says in his A support with Ephraim. I believe he was loyal to Vigarde first and now that he is gone, Duessel is wholly for Grado. And the experience with Vigarde maybe makes him more wary of becoming loyal to one person instead of the country. That said, Grado is pretty high on his list anyway.

[mark-asphodel.livejournal.com]

Hope you continue along the path to OK.

This is what Duessel says in his A support with Ephraim

Mm... regretting the betrayal doesn't necessarily means Vigarde came first. It could really go either way. IMO, for Selena it was definitely Vigarde > Grado, for Duessel it was Grado > Vigarde, and with Glen there's not really enough to go on. Glen could've easily been about family and career more than king and country-- and I don't mean that as a slight to him.

[crimsonmorgan.livejournal.com]

Thank you.

Hm, the fact that he talks more about Vigarde and Lyon and everything makes me think that he would put the persons over the country, but, yeah, I can see your point.
I wouldn't read it as a slight against Glen. Caring the most about your family is certainly no bad trait.

[professor-tammi.livejournal.com]

Aah I hope you'll feel better! orz If the psychiatrist is making you uncomfortable, it definitely seems like a good idea to find somebody else.

This is an interesting post, and I've given this a bit of thought before, too - in general, I think I prefer characters who care more for actual people than countries, which is partly because patriotism can be a little hard for me to relate to (with some exceptions). More personal motivations tend to make characters feel more interesting to me, I suppose. :)

(And um, personally, I think Geoffrey would choose Elincia over Crimea and... pretty much everything else. But I guess this opinion is mostly based on how he mentions seeing no point in living without her in one of his death quotes?)

[crimsonmorgan.livejournal.com]

Me too. I really can't relate to patriotic characters. << As a German that area is very ... iffy.

(I know, but I have the feeling that he loves Crimea as well and with his sense of duty he would have a hard time to decide. He would probably choose her in the end, but it would be a hard way)

[shining-valor.livejournal.com]

Seth is pretty hard. I think it's a bit similar to Percival with a different outcome; in the end I believe Seth would probably choose country over king/queen.

I disagree with the outcome. In the end, should it come down to it, I think his loyalty to the twins would trump his concern for country. After all, he did leave the country on the command of his king to safeguard his heir (or heirs).

Selena - have to agree that she was loyal to Vigarde first and foremost. Such as that she restated her loyalty to the emperor even though he was not the one giving her the commands and marched off to her death. That was such a waste. :(

[crimsonmorgan.livejournal.com]

Hm, yeah, but by protecting the heirs, he ensures that Renais has a future to look forward to. But, you know, depending on the day I have a different opinion about this. I can see both possibilities happening and depending on my mood I tend to find one or the other more likely.

[shining-valor.livejournal.com]

Like you say, its probably a really close thing with him. Though his willingness to even consider running away with Eirika speaks volumes... (I think)

[crimsonmorgan.livejournal.com]

It probably depends on the circumstances.