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[scarletmorning]

I don't know how anyone ever could produce something so horrible and drenched in failsauce like Dragonball Evolution. It... it has so completely nothing to do with Toriyama´s Dragonball series it's hilarious (in a very, very bad way). There is just SO. MUCH. FAIL in there I don't even. (Oh hai, every character but Goku is Asian. Goku looks so terribly European it's not funny. Yes, he's technically an alien, but come on! In his original design he doesn't look much different than the others! And he doesn't even have his tail! And Mutenroshi ;A; A middle-aged dude. With no turtle shield. At least he could keep his shirts. >_> Also, the fighting outfits look ridiculous; somehow this kind of stuff only looks good on paper XD) So much failsauce. At least Chichi looks cute.

Oh, and one thing: GOKU FREAKING ASKS HIS GRANDFATHER HOW TO ASK OUT GIRLS. ON DATES. REAL DATES. ;A; That's.. I don't even. Goku. Who has no interest in women whatsoever and has no idea how they work? Did they miss all the slapstick in the manga? (It was already quite surprising that Goku managed to sire some children.)

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Damn it, I've wanted to say more...

Oh! Yeah. The Innes+Hayden piece looks good, quite good. Strangely, I still don't really like Innes. Or Lyon. Even though I write much about him. It's really, really bizarre that I either write about my most favourite characters (Bro kings <3) or characters that I don't like (Innes, Lyon and Ephraim (Ephraim just at the moment. We have a little fall out.)) lately. :/ But maybe that's just because they're, well, closely related to the bros. I don't know. It feels strange. Oh well, I do kinda like Innes in the Frelian family setting and yet... Hn. Undecided.

Which reminds me; Oops, have to finally come to a decision on how my contest piece should end and the Lyon piece for raphi.

Comments

[raphiael]

I will pile my love on Ephraim and Innes in your stead.
Lyon. . . maybe not so much. >___>

[crimsonmorgan.livejournal.com]

8D
No amount of love could save Lyon >> Well, mayyyyyyyyybe Ephraim´s love but, well, Ephraim's Ephraim, you know...

[raphiael]

Well. . . if we're talking seriously?
Personally, I think if he'd manned up and told one (or both!) of the twins his feelings, they might have been returned. And I do think that if that were in place, he probably wouldn't have been consumed so easily by his gloom and self-loathing.

But! He didn't. And both twins are pretty fabulous at failing to realize when someone's into them, soooo yeah.

[crimsonmorgan.livejournal.com]

Hm. I'm not entirely sure if that would help him battle his HUGE insecurity (if he were the "wife" in the relationship now otoh...) Naw, seriously. If the twins (or one twin) gave him the support he needed, it would still be only one step. I do believe he would at least also need Vigarde´s support and probably some positive feedback from nobles/peasants/knights/etc. The chance that he would be consumed if ruling was left to him would still be relatively high. Twins or not.

[raphiael]

Well, getting with Ephraim would probably only worsen things.

However -- Lyon does get praised by his people. And he gets a lot of joy from helping them. Personally I feel like it was the combination of a lack of affection, and the absolute horror of what he knew would happen with Grado that caused him to finally collapse. If he had someone by his side who could help him - support him through the loss of his father, help him figure out

Also worth noting - if Eirika and Lyon were involved, Renais helping Grado escape the disaster wouldn't have been an issue, I don't think. Whereas the way they were, it was a matter of pride.

I mostly use this line of reasoning, not as HOW COULD LYON HAVE BEEN SAVED?!, but as a tie-in with my own feeling that pre-game requited twins/Lyon - at least, openly requited - is pretty much just not possible without some kind of AU.

[crimsonmorgan.livejournal.com]

Do they praise him in front of him? And the question is if he really believes them. Personally, I believe he probably doubts them; he is convinced that everybody thinks he's weak after all. He'd believe them after someone he looks up to agree with the praise (ie. Vigarde).

Personally I feel like it was the combination of a lack of affection, and the absolute horror of what he knew would happen with Grado that caused him to finally collapse

Oh gawd, are you reading my mind? That does appear in my Lyon piece for you XD (Which still needs an ending that doesn't suck)

if Eirika and Lyon were involved, Renais helping Grado escape the disaster wouldn't have been an issue, I don't think.

Yeah... yeah, I can see that. Though I believe Lyon would have a guilty conscience if Vigarde told him that that would be shameful, regardless of being with a twin or not. He'd do it, but the issues would still be there.

In the normal game, Lyon wouldn't be able to be safed. Now, in that shiny, shiny AU you mention... 8D *wants, wants, wants (Ephraim/Lyon, that is)*

[raphiael]

It's never clearly said, but there is this:

Knoll: With our aid, Prince Lyon predicted a great storm rising in the south. He barred ships from leaving port, and, oh, how the people complained. But the storm came, and the seas raged. We saved countless lives. And Prince Lyon cared not at all if the people loved him for it. He only wanted them to be safe.

I think chances are, since people knew it was Lyon who stopped the ships, they'd see it as some great foresight. And the feelings of both Natasha and Knoll seem to point to a common adoration among people who knew him in Grado (though Knoll would probably adore Lyon no matter what, so let's just leave him out of it, lol.)

Well, if Renais and Grado were bound by marriage/engagement, it might not even be shameful. Lyon might even confide in one of the twins before he consulted his father. There are all kinds of possibilities.

Heeee.
Well I'm not sure I'm up for a full AU writing myself. I feel like I covered everything I needed to in a Lyon-lives AU with Emperor. Buuut I do plan on going mild-AU in this fic I'm working on, and have the requited aspect of things come to light in-game.

[crimsonmorgan.livejournal.com]

My canon knowledge is shamefully small at the moment >8I Too much AU in my head. I'll have to review it in the future. (Air pirate bros 8D)

Though, you know, the last sentence is a bit strange... Lyon doesn't care about his people´s love? About whose does he care then? Vigarde? Well, maybe it's just Knoll portraying him as selfless and yet...

I would say it could be viewed as shameful as "the Emperor goes to get help from another country because he can't handle it alone". Which would be a sign of weakness in many people´s eyes. I don't agree with them, but that is what Vigarde was concerned about and I do believe it would still apply, even in the altered situation. It wouldn't be as bad since Fado (or whoever is king then) would think it's his duty to help the twin in Grado.

But the Lyon-lives AU is different than a Lyon-is-changed-at-the-beginning AU, isn't it?
Yay 8D

[raphiael]

My feeling is you have to take anything Knoll - and to an extent, the twins - say about Lyon with a grain of salt.

I really don't think a perfect, kind, selfless man could end up as twisted as he did in the end. Nope. Doesn't add up.

I think he was kind, yes, and selfless - but in the worst way, the way where he had absolutely no sense of self-value, and constantly sought the approval of others, indirectly, to attempt to feel like he was worth something. He expected others to validate him, rather than having some ego himself.

I'm not honestly sure I find it interesting enough to explore, really. What draws me to Lyon is exactly what I mentioned before. Without that twisted element to him, he's just not very interesting.

[crimsonmorgan.livejournal.com]

/ agrees with everything. Like a boss 8D

Especially on Lyon being even less interesting without the issues. And the third paragraph. Oh delicious issues~